ported/clipped stocker *installed*

[slow4dr]

I just thought I would let everyone know it is in.

more power, less PTB, more topend, less heat, more boost at redline, less EGT's, more tire spin, less spike, more turbo noise............

That is all for now. :thumb:

[The-Violator]

:bs: till dyno numbers

[gspeedaddict]

keep us posted...im ready 2 spend my retirement

[JuanDirtyMessican]

I just thought I would let everyone know it is in.

more power, less PTB, more topend, less heat, more boost at redline, less EGT's, more tire spin, less spike, more turbo noise............

That is all for now. :thumb:


SWEET!!!! Jayson I think you got me wanting this now!!!damn you!!!! Is the dog gonna stick her nose in my ass again????:rofl:

[The-Violator]

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!? ewwww..

[punkrokdood]

jason... i think i need one badly... my return line is working... big thanks to eric (blackbird) and i'm rich as hell again :lol:

[The-Violator]

That's the Eric!?!?!?1 WTF, what am I chop liver?!?! What was the problem!>?

[JuanDirtyMessican]

That's the Eric!?!?!?1 WTF, what am I chop liver?!?! What was the problem!>?



no ur chop suey!!! yea what was wrong with ur return line Punkrokdoody

[punkrokdood]

no ur chop suey!!! yea what was wrong with ur return line Punkrokdoody
http://www.srtsyndicate.com/showthread.php?t=2607&page=2

btw, big thanks to eric cuz he came out to help me out :thumb:

[slow4dr]

I think Dodge should have had it like this from the factory.

[poorwboy]

Screw your more boost to redline. My car :owned: me pos neon:bs: :rofl:more boost at redline, owns me damnit.

[poorwboy]

My car does all of this more power, less PTB, more topend, less heat, , less EGT's, more tire spin, less spike, more turbo noise............ But not this MORE BOOST AT REDLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gudeman00]

How much? $$$$

[slow4dr]

But not this MORE BOOST AT REDLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: :owned: :jester:


How much? $$$$

It was a lot more work than expected so I am not sure if i am going ot offer them or not. What does the competition charge for ported/clipped stockers?

[phillysrt4]

PTP has a clipped/ported/balaned turbo for $289.00

[MSMoores]

Solution? Buy 10 from PTP, write "Slow4dr Racing, Inc." on them with a sharpie. Group buy on GayForums 375.00 shipped, and you've been testing this design since 1998 when you first had the idea to build the SRT4 Neon.

[slow4dr]

:rofl: @ Matt


I think I may do a few of these but that's it. Anything under $300 just isn't worth my time. It took me roughly 5-6 hours to do mine in my spare time on the weekends. I would have a turn around time of like 3-4 weeks. :ftard:

[MSMoores]

Must... resist... urge to give Jason all my money!! NOOOOOO!!! :lol:

[lunchbox660]

http://www.srtsyndicate.com/showthread.php?t=2607&page=2

btw, big thanks to eric cuz he came out to help me out :thumb:

hey fakk you buddy, i offered to come help you the very same nite you were puttin it in but you wouldnt have me over.....lol, cmon man, i showered! i guess he just likes eric better and was holding out for that sweeter pie....lol

[lunchbox660]

jason, im stillhunting for a decently prices stocker...as soon as i get one, youll be hearing from me.

[punkrokdood]

hey fakk you buddy, i offered to come help you the very same nite you were puttin it in but you wouldnt have me over.....lol, cmon man, i showered! i guess he just likes eric better and was holding out for that sweeter pie....lol
yea... i apreciate that... but by then it was too dark in my garage to do anything, and eric was in the area that day.


and jason, i think a ported manifold+clipped turbo is more like $600 from the competition

The ported and cryo treated exhaust manifold for the stock turbo (helps with egt's and exhaust flow). $299.99 + $100 core.

Stockers that have been ported and clipped. $289.00 + shipping + $200 core

[svt2srt4]

what is the down fall of the port and clip?.....it just seems so cheap to buy...and you know what they say if its too good to be true then maybe it is..i am really intrested in this any info.....and then what are all the advantages of it?..

[poorwboy]

what is the down fall of the port and clip?.....it just seems so cheap to buy...and you know what they say if its too good to be true then maybe it is..i am really intrested in this any info.....and then what are all the advantages of it?..
these are the advantages more power, less PTB, more topend, less heat, more boost at redline, less EGT's, more tire spin, less spike, more turbo noise............
And more drivability. I just installed one last week and Im stoked Except for boost leaks owning me. Nothing to do with the swap.

[svt2srt4]

these are the advantages more power, less PTB, more topend, less heat, more boost at redline, less EGT's, more tire spin, less spike, more turbo noise............
And more drivability. I just installed one last week and Im stoked Except for boost leaks owning me. Nothing to do with the swap.
who sells them ...linky?:thumb:

[poorwboy]

who sells them ...linky?:thumb:
Myself and jason did our own. I just need to find a stock core to do another.

[svt2srt4]

Myself and jason did our own. I just need to find a stock core to do another.
ok well im a machinist fabricator my self ...all i need is a how to and i can do it myself ...what is the break down , what is the clipped part?..the ported part is self expanitory:thumb:

[slow4dr]

jason, im stillhunting for a decently prices stocker...as soon as i get one, youll be hearing from me.


This guy is selling one for cheap on Nor-Cal site. http://www.norcalsrt4.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4052&highlight=

[slow4dr]

ok well im a machinist fabricator my self ...all i need is a how to and i can do it myself ...what is the break down , what is the clipped part?..the ported part is self expanitory:thumb:


A turbo shop will have to do the clipping part because it will have to be rebalanced afterwards.

[slow4dr]

yea... i apreciate that... but by then it was too dark in my garage to do anything, and eric was in the area that day.


and jason, i think a ported manifold+clipped turbo is more like $600 from the competition

The ported and cryo treated exhaust manifold for the stock turbo (helps with egt's and exhaust flow). $299.99 + $100 core.

Stockers that have been ported and clipped. $289.00 + shipping + $200 core


That would be a little more like it. I think I would limit the option to $300 + shipping for both ported & clipped though. Between Shaun and myself we could do a few of these.

I would only do this if I get the core back so there won't be a core charge.

[MSMoores]

Did you have to tinker with anything else to get this to work correctly, or is it as simple as bolting it up and running it? You'll have to excuse me, I realize my n00bness is showing. :baby:

[blackbird]

these are the advantages more power, less PTB, more topend, less heat, more boost at redline, less EGT's, more tire spin, less spike, more turbo noise..........

Part throttle boost. If you want to get rid of it, hook the stock computer controlled boost back up or change/modify how your manual (or electronic) boost controller is working. If you're seeing less after modification it's because the turbine is spinning up slower. I've seen quite a few on the other site saying they want a modified turbo because of this benefit, when it almost sounds like it's a mystery to them as to what causes their PTB.

[punkrokdood]

That would be a little more like it. I think I would limit the option to $300 + shipping for both ported & clipped though. Between Shaun and myself we could do a few of these.

I would only do this if I get the core back so there won't be a core charge.
if that's so, i want the next one :sneaky:

once i get new plugs that is :ftard:

[el_jefe]

Did you port your manifold? Got pics? I have a spare that my grinder is looking at hungrily. I was thinking smooth the areas pre turbo, and widen the area post turbo, but the air flow around the wg flapper concerns me. Turbulance + Flapper = bad

[slow4dr]

if that's so, i want the next one :sneaky:

once i get new plugs that is :ftard:


:thumb:


Did you have to tinker with anything else to get this to work correctly, or is it as simple as bolting it up and running it? You'll have to excuse me, I realize my n00bness is showing. :baby:

It's just a removal & replace. All factory water/oil lines, brackets, flanges are reused. The only thing I did was add a 3" 02 housing so there weren't any obstructions.

[MSMoores]

It's just a removal & replace. All factory water/oil lines, brackets, flanges are reused. The only thing I did was add a 3" 02 housing so there weren't any obstructions.

Damnit Jason, I was afraid you were going to say that. Couldn't you have lied to me? :lol:

I'm never going to be able to buy a house at this rate...

[slow4dr]

Did you port your manifold? Got pics? I have a spare that my grinder is looking at hungrily. I was thinking smooth the areas pre turbo, and widen the area post turbo, but the air flow around the wg flapper concerns me. Turbulance + Flapper = bad


I will take some when I finish the work on the turbo I took off my car. I was also worried about a negative pressure area right below the flapper. I placed a spare 3" flange I had onto the exit area and used that as a tamplate. There is quite a bit of meat to the right & below the flapper to remove. It is working very well so far.

I am going to call Adam and try and set up some dyno time this week. Unfortunately, I don't have an accurate baseline because my car hasn't been on the dyno in a year or so. Luckily enough I haven't changed anything since my last visit.

[punkrokdood]

I will take some when I finish the work on the turbo I took off my car. I was also worried about a negative pressure area right below the flapper. I placed a spare 3" flange I had onto the exit area and used that as a tamplate. There is quite a bit of meat to the right & below the flapper to remove. It is working very well so far.

I am going to call Adam and try and set up some dyno time this week. Unfortunately, I don't have an accurate baseline because my car hasn't been on the dyno in a year or so. Luckily enough I haven't changed anything since my last visit.
well, we can use mine... I'm such a dyno whore :lol:

last time at adam's 252/294
yesterday in escondido 252/279

[el_jefe]

I will take some when I finish the work on the turbo I took off my car. I was also worried about a negative pressure area right below the flapper. I placed a spare 3" flange I had onto the exit area and used that as a tamplate. There is quite a bit of meat to the right & below the flapper to remove. It is working very well so far.

I am going to call Adam and try and set up some dyno time this week. Unfortunately, I don't have an accurate baseline because my car hasn't been on the dyno in a year or so. Luckily enough I haven't changed anything since my last visit.


It's so nice to be able to ask a question knowing that the answer will be knowledgable, and not hiding shit. If I had asked that "elsewhere", I would have either gotten a deer in the headlights response from the "shops" that just ground the hell out of the ports, or "we won't share that info" from the shops have half a clue. :rofl:

[turbo_protege5]

so are we going to the track or what?

[punkrokdood]

so are we going to the track or what?
:werd:

I was thinking the same thing...

[slow4dr]

so are we going to the track or what?


I am scrambling trying ot get the lugs fixed. Street tires is just a waste of time at a 1/8th mile track. I am more curious to see times/mph than dyno anyways.

[slow4dr]

It's so nice to be able to ask a question knowing that the answer will be knowledgable, and not hiding shit. If I had asked that "elsewhere", I would have either gotten a deer in the headlights response from the "shops" that just ground the hell out of the ports, or "we won't share that info" from the shops have half a clue. :rofl:


I am a firm believer in full disclosure. I probably lost a lot of sales at Chaparral because of it but at least I could sleep at night.

[punkrokdood]

I am scrambling trying ot get the lugs fixed. Street tires is just a waste of time at a 1/8th mile track. I am more curious to see times/mph than dyno anyways.
if it happens, i'll be there, and i'll bring my slicks... for the first time :lol:

[turbo_protege5]

I am scrambling trying ot get the lugs fixed. Street tires is just a waste of time at a 1/8th mile track. I am more curious to see times/mph than dyno anyways.



hahahha...WERD!! street tires are a waste.... and i think it's been a year since you have ran on slicks anyways. so your PAST due!!! lol....

ill be running slicks also so we should have some GOOD runs. :thumb:

[punkrokdood]

hahahha...WERD!! street tires are a waste.... and i think it's been a year since you have ran on slicks anyways. so your PAST due!!! lol....

ill be running slicks also so we should have some GOOD runs. :thumb:
know of anywhere to get unleaded race gas in that area?

[turbo_protege5]

know of anywhere to get unleaded race gas in that area?


i wish... i get mine by my house. :supergay:



jason- BTW, i got the job working for EVOsport. it's going to be GREAT.... in house dyno,lift,fab shop,ECt.... i dont think ill EVER go home. lol

[slow4dr]

i wish... i get mine by my house. :supergay:



jason- BTW, i got the job working for EVOsport. it's going to be GREAT.... in house dyno,lift,fab shop,ECt.... i dont think ill EVER go home. lol


AWESOME, Congrats Mike!

The wife is thinking about going so we will have a videographer. :rofl:

[punkrokdood]

AWESOME, Congrats Mike!

The wife is thinking about going so we will have a videographer. :rofl:
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

i want no evidence of me running 10.2 at 72 mph on slicks :ftard:
:rofl:

[slow4dr]

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

i want no evidence of me running 10.2 at 72 mph on slicks :ftard:
:rofl:


:rofl: :rofl: :owned:


Let's hope that this will be the point in which your car finally does what it's supposed to.

[JuanDirtyMessican]

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

i want no evidence of me running 10.2 at 72 mph on slicks :ftard:
:rofl:


:rofl:

it's ok brandon i don't think anyone will beat danny's 17 in the quarter!:rofl:

[punkrokdood]

:rofl: :rofl: :owned:


Let's hope that this will be the popint in which your car finally does what it's supposed to.
and when I finally do what I'm supposed to... hopefully my AGP plugs will be here in time... i may get a cheap-o set of coppers for now if i have to

[punkrokdood]

:rofl:

it's ok brandon i don't think anyone will beat danny's 17 in the quarter!:rofl:
:werd:

my worst 1/4 is a 15.x... missing 2nd and 3rd :ftard:

[slow4dr]

BTW: I am trying to get this guy to go. He needs a reality check. :rofl:

http://socalhorsepower.com/files/schpmembers/members/eric/EricsBio.htm

[slow4dr]

:rofl:

it's ok brandon i don't think anyone will beat danny's 17 in the quarter!:rofl:


:bs: My worst is around 10 minutes. I don't really know the exact time because the timing system didn't go that high. :rofl:


Tow truck > Galant VR4

[turbo_protege5]

AWESOME, Congrats Mike!

The wife is thinking about going so we will have a videographer. :rofl:



thanks man! sweet deal.... i just HOPE my clutch holds. eeeeeeeeeek!!!

[slow4dr]

thanks man! sweet deal.... i just HOPE my clutch holds. eeeeeeeeeek!!!


X's 2

I also hope my 03 axles stay in one piece. :ftard:

[Daryl]

X's 2

I also hope my 03 axles stay in one piece. :ftard:

I hate you.


thanks man! sweet deal.... i just HOPE my clutch holds. eeeeeeeeeek!!!

I hate you.

:supergay:

[turbo_protege5]

I hate you.


I hate you.

:supergay:




<3

[el_jefe]

BTW: I am trying to get this guy to go. He needs a reality check. :rofl:

http://socalhorsepower.com/files/schpmembers/members/eric/EricsBio.htm


12.8 @ 106 NA and 12.20 @ 114 on the juice? Nice trap speed. I bet he runs high 13's at best on street tires. Probably gets his ass kicked on the freeway pretty often as well.

[slow4dr]

12.8 @ 106 NA and 12.20 @ 114 on the juice? Nice trap speed. I bet he runs high 13's at best on street tires. Probably gets his ass kicked on the freeway pretty often as well.


What's funny though is when I asked him where he ran his times he stumbled BIG time and then said Fontana. Then he started back pedaling and saying he doesn't have N20 anymore.

He made a comment about street tires and traction. I told him my car is still faster just not as quick. :rofl: I think he got it but I don't think he even remotely thinks my car traps higher than his.

[slow4dr]

Can someone confirm times/dates for Friday night drags from this site? It is blocked at my work.


http://www.perrisautospeedway.com/

[turbo_protege5]

Gates open at 5:00.
Drag Racing from 5:00 - 10:30.
Tech closes at 9:00.
Spectators - $10.00.
Car & Driver - $20.00.

It will be business as usual for the Diamond Valley Automotive Group Honda – Mazda – Volkswagen Strip at The PAS on Friday evening. Crowds of racers, drag racing fans and hot rods continue to grow each week at the two-month-old facility. Gates will open at 5:00 PM for Friday’s Drag Race.

(JUNE 1, 2005, PERRIS, CA) Perris Auto Speedway promoter Don Kazarian has signed a contract with the Lake Perris Fairgrounds to promote Street Legal Drag Racing in the spectator parking lot adjacent to his famous half-mile clay oval. The eighth of a mile strip will be called “The Strip at The PAS” and racing will commence when paving is done later in June or early in July. From that point on, racing will take place every Friday night.



“I have been working on this for about a year and a half,” Kazarian told the crowd. “This will get a lot of kids off the street and into a safe racing environment. Hopefully someday some of them will try our oval racing as well starting in hornets or street stocks and going all the way to racing sprint cars and who knows where after that.”



The start line Christmas tree, k-rails and all of the other equipment has been ordered and should be delivered any day. As soon as the paving is done, The PAS will be the Friday night place to be for drag racing.



“We cannot wait for opening night, “ Kazarian said with a smile. “There is strip at the Irwindale Speedway, California Speedway and one in San Diego. However, there is not one right around here and this is one the fastest growing areas in the country. There are a lot of kids and parents around here who will welcome the idea of a safe place to race.”



The racing will no be limited to the younger set. Anyone who has a valid drivers license, helmet and car registration will be eligible to go racing at the newest drag strip on the west coast.



For more information on “The Strip at PAS”, please call (951) 940-0134.

[slow4dr]

Sounds like a plan to me. :thumb:

[slow4dr]

srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3064214#post3064214


:owned:

[blackbird]

Grrrr... $20 for 1/8 mile. I'd almost rather drive to Vegas since Palmdale is the only 1/4 for a while. I need to check and see if LVMS has any weekend events besides the occasional late night Friday Midnight Mayhem.

When's everyone thinking of going to Perris? I might bring my van out if it's in AAA Plus towing distance from home. :lol: Last night after the dyno day I got the balance shafts pulled out and should have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator on order tomorrow so I can turn up the boost a few pounds.

[blackbird]

When's everyone thinking of going to Perris?

Answer:
http://www.srtsyndicate.com/showpost.php?p=51591&postcount=64
:ftard:

[ptperformance]

ok well im a machinist fabricator my self ...all i need is a how to and i can do it myself ...what is the break down , what is the clipped part?..the ported part is self expanitory:thumb:
You have a machine that can balace a turbo shaft to 150000 rpm? Never mind it already got explained. (thought I had a new friend).

[blackbird]

Well most shops only balance to a few thousand rpm's unless they have an expensive VSR balancer. Each method has their own advantages and disadvantages over each other.

Clipping is definitely something you want to leave to an experienced shop. Even then, if not done absolutely perfect it can dramatically reduce long-term service life. Porting the manifold isn't as critical, but you don't want to just go hog wild with a die grinder, especially in the scroll ("snail") area where the turbine sits.

[slow4dr]

FYI: I am stopping by Adam's tonight to throw it on the dyno. On the way to work this morning I actually heard it detonate. :ftard: Time for S2.

[punkrokdood]

FYI: I am stopping by Adam's tonight to throw it on the dyno. On the way to work this morning I actually heard it detonate. :ftard: Time for S2.
return line will get you MORE than enough fuel :thumb: :lol:

[blackbird]

working return line will get you MORE than enough fuel :thumb: :lol:
Correction. ^^^ :lol:

[punkrokdood]

Correction. ^^^ :lol:
:rofl::owned:

[slow4dr]

return line will get you MORE than enough fuel :thumb: :lol:


True, but I can get the S2(after selling my S1) for less. Unless Aaron hooks me up. :thumb:

[punkrokdood]

True, but I can get the S2(after selling my S1) for less. Unless Aaron hooks me up. :thumb:
well, my return line cost me stage2 injectors+ $50... and a big fuckin headache that eric fixed :lol:

[el_jefe]

My stage 2 + stock WGA + spring mod gives me plenty of fuel. Damn plugs were BLACK when I swapped em. Still get better milage than stock though.

[slow4dr]

well, my return line cost me stage2 injectors+ $50... and a big fuckin headache that eric fixed :lol:


Another thing to consider though is the S1 map & fuel cut. I can't run more than 18-19 psi without a clamping device. Which I will not do on this car.

[punkrokdood]

Another thing to consider though is the S1 map & fuel cut. I can't run more than 18-19 psi without a clamping device. Which I will not do on this car.
ahhh yes... forgot about that since i already have it :lol:
get stage2 :thumb:

[el_jefe]

I like the 6500 rpm redline :sneaky:

[blackbird]

Another thing to consider though is the S1 map & fuel cut. I can't run more than 18-19 psi without a clamping device. Which I will not do on this car.
Why not? Having 48° timing advance at WOT while running 12.8:1 A/F on a stock turbo is great for power. I heard it on some automotive forums. :jester:

[slow4dr]

I like the 6500 rpm redline :sneaky:

:thumb: The ported/clipped turbo might actually be able to use all of it also.

ahhh yes... forgot about that since i already have it :lol:
get stage2 :thumb:

:thumb:

Why not? Having 48° timing advance at WOT while running 12.8:1 A/F on a stock turbo is great for power. I heard it on some automotive forums. :jester:


:rofl: The last time I dyno'd my car it was mid 12's A/F ratio but I am sure I had NO timing.

[blackbird]

Mid-12's A/F + no advance = great EGT's

No need to clip the stock turbine if you run around like that a lot. I'm sure pieces will melt off soon enough. :lol:

I think if you're going to maximize a stock turbo S2 works very well. If you can reduce restriction a little on the exhaust side and flow a bit more air it would be even better.

[slow4dr]

Mid-12's A/F + no advance = great EGT's

No need to clip the stock turbine if you run around like that a lot. I'm sure pieces will melt off soon enough. :lol:

I think if you're going to maximize a stock turbo S2 works very well. If you can reduce restriction a little on the exhaust side and flow a bit more air it would be even better.


I haven't changed anything since then which was 15,000 miles ago. So maybe Dave's 02 sensor was effed up. All I know is my EGT's go straight to 1750 and then hover there(pre ported/clipped turbo). I could feel the power fall off as soon as it reached that temp.

[blackbird]

It was messed up a lot. I've got more than a few dyno plots where the sensor or pump was causing it to read lean. I think Adam says he's rebuilding it every couple months now whether it needs it or not just to keep it accurate.

The 2.2L Turbo III's run 1750° stock and will sustain up to 1900+° for short durations, but optimal power is made around 1650° with a good A/F. Go up or down much from that and power starts dropping off.

[Tom Joad]

What do you people measure your EGTs with?

[blackbird]

I use my hands, but I hear an EGT gauge getting it's reading off a thermocouple in the manifold works well. On my SRT-4 I'll be using the Innovate Motorsports LM-1/LMA-3 (AuxBox) combo to data log mine (still need a thermocouple to feed the AuxBox's EGT input).

If you're looking at buying an automotive EGT setup make sure it reads up to at least 1800° if you're on the stock turbo. Another good source is aviation EGT equipment. Usually a little more expensive but can be more accurate and have a longer service life.

[slow4dr]

Well just because I am all for full disclosure here is the graph. The red line is from tonight and the blue line is the last time I dyno'd there in early 05. I haven't changed anything on the car but the turbo/manifold and the 02 housing. I am also still using the same plugs as last time with roughly 20K miles on them. Yeah I know. Anyway, for those that were at the dyno day a few weeks back will remember everyone was dynoing low. Also you may remember how a lot of the cars would not sound right halfway through the pull. Basically the cars would just labor at 4500 rpm give or take and then continue on with the pull. Well mine did it as well. I am not trying to make excuses but my car has NEVER done that before on that dyno and I have over 50 pulls on it. I will give Chris @ Tuning Tech a call and see if I can get it on his dyno this week sometime just to eliminate the obvious.

Much like Mike's car my car would not hold a steady boost pressure on the dyno. On the street it works fine but the second the dyno load is introduced it just jumps all over. This pull was running about 15 psi initial then it would climb to 18 and then go back down to 14.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e260/slow4dr/scan0001.jpg

[Daryl]

It looks more stable yea?

[svt2srt4]

looks like minimal gains...so what is the obvious?:ftard:

[punkrokdood]

looks like minimal gains...so what is the obvious?:ftard:
well... he lost peak power, made a little more peak torque, he's running richer, but he had minimal gains in the curve... the "obvious" he was referring to was that adam's dyno probably has a lot of issues

[punkrokdood]

IMO, there looks like there is something wrong... you are making more torque before you make the peak power, and more torque at redline, yet less torque and horsepower right where peak numbers are made. was this with the 10 degree clip, or more?

[el_jefe]

Is that a third or forth gear pull? Looks like a 4th gear. That doesn't look like a run with inconsistant boost. I want to see EGT's. And timeslips. I don't trust dyno's for anything more than baseline tuning anymore.

[slow4dr]

looks like minimal gains...so what is the obvious?:ftard:

What Brandon said.Although Adam got very defensive when I said something about all the cars at the dyno day "laboring" in the middle of the pull.


IMO, there looks like there is something wrong... you are making more torque before you make the peak power, and more torque at redline, yet less torque and horsepower right where peak numbers are made. was this with the 10 degree clip, or more?

No matter what I did I couldn't get that rich area at the beginning of the pull to go away. I think the peak #'s were off because by then boost was down to 15 psi. On the street it WILL NOT do this but that little laboring part of the pull was enough to drop the boost quickly. It is clipped 10 degrees currently.

Is that a third or forth gear pull? Looks like a 4th gear. That doesn't look like a run with inconsistant boost. I want to see EGT's. And timeslips. I don't trust dyno's for anything more than baseline tuning anymore.

This was a 3rd gear pull but yes the boost acted like it was in 4th. I stayed in the throttle all the way through 3rd & 4th last night on the way home and the EGT's huvered right around 1600. I agree that trap speeds will tell ALL. I would like to get some new plugs before Friday night though.

[punkrokdood]

I would like to get some new plugs before Friday night though.
i have the AGP plugs coming... should arrive today... i ordered them monday, so you might be able to get them in by friday if you order now :lol:

[punkrokdood]

the cars are probably spinning on the dyno, even if ever so slightly... i don't htink i've EVER seen so many cars spin on a dyno as that one... hell, even my car spun on there the first time i dynoed with 242 hp :ftard:

[turbo_protege5]

what do you mean by exactly ''laboring''?

well, i think it's safe to say that st's dyno is Fu@$ed up. lol...

jason, BTW do you plan on running slicks friday or street tires?

[slow4dr]

i have the AGP plugs coming... should arrive today... i ordered them monday, so you might be able to get them in by friday if you order now :lol:


Sparkplugs.com is in the 909 so I will probably just get them form there.


what do you mean by exactly ''laboring''?

well, i think it's safe to say that st's dyno is Fu@$ed up. lol...

jason, BTW do you plan on running slicks friday or street tires?


Basically the car sounds like it has an auotmatic tranny with a high stall. The rpm jumps up real quick to the stall speed in this case about 4500 rpm and then sits there for a second and then continues on.

[turbo_protege5]

Sparkplugs.com is in the 909 so I will probably just get them form there.





Basically the car sounds like it has an auotmatic tranny with a high stall. The rpm jumps up real quick to the stall speed in this case about 4500 rpm and then sits there for a second and then continues on.



hmmmm.... i see. btw, since the dyno day my car has been running great and holding my normal boost fine.

[punkrokdood]

hmmmm.... i see. btw, since the dyno day my car has been running great and holding my normal boost fine.
:werd:

i dynoed the same horsepower on another dyno, holding less boost :lol:

[turbo_protege5]

:werd:

i dynoed the same horsepower on another dyno, holding less boost :lol:




that's SUPER :gayflag: then..... no more dyno time at st. :ftard:

[punkrokdood]

that's SUPER :gayflag: then..... no more dyno time at st. :ftard:
:lol:

15 less tq and fucked up plugs too :ftard:

[svt2srt4]

well... he lost peak power, made a little more peak torque, he's running richer, but he had minimal gains in the curve... the "obvious" he was referring to was that adam's dyno probably has a lot of issues
and how much is this guy charging to dyno with incorrect #'s:yikes:

[slow4dr]

hmmmm.... i see. btw, since the dyno day my car has been running great and holding my normal boost fine.

I believe that I will have to find a proper "set-up" again since the new turbo. The old set-up was perfect and it took me almost 2 years to get there now I feel like it's starting from scratch. I am going to try a bunch of things including running the green & blue, lines and I may even get that old actuator back from you.

BTW: I found a S2 for cheap but I am having second thoughts again. I sat in the garage staring at the Nova last night for like a half hour and I really want to get that BISH running. I have been contemplating selling shit off the SRT to fund it. :ftard:

[Daryl]

EEEK DON'T SELL THE CAR JASON! Sorry for the off-topic post...im learning though :)

[slow4dr]

I was just thinking about selling some of the parts not the whole car.

[turbo_protege5]

I believe that I will have to find a proper "set-up" again since the new turbo. The old set-up was perfect and it took me almost 2 years to get there now I feel like it's starting from scratch. I am going to try a bunch of things including running the green & blue, lines and I may even get that old actuator back from you.

BTW: I found a S2 for cheap but I am having second thoughts again. I sat in the garage staring at the Nova last night for like a half hour and I really want to get that BISH running. I have been contemplating selling shit off the SRT to fund it. :ftard:



it took me a long time also... lol i know exactly what you are talking about. i do still have the wga so if you need it to do some ''testing'' let me know and ill bring it to you.

p.s i HEAR you 100% on the nova... im starting to feel the same way.
last night i went and looked at the 1956 oval rag i want to buy. the owner is a VERY good friend of mine and REALLY want's me to buy it so it dosent sit anymore. it's clean AS HELL and i think he will let me steal it for $5,000-6,000. :yikes:

1956 oval rag + 2332 w/HEADS & 48 IDA's = HOT SEX to my ears

[slow4dr]

it took me a long time also... lol i know exactly what you are talking about. i do still have the wga so if you need it to do some ''testing'' let me know and ill bring it to you.

p.s i HEAR you 100% on the nova... im starting to feel the same way.
last night i went and looked at the 1956 oval rag i want to buy. the owner is a VERY good friend of mine and REALLY want's me to buy it so it dosent sit anymore. it's clean AS HELL and i think he will let me steal it for $5,000-6,000. :yikes:

1956 oval rag + 2332 w/HEADS & 48 IDA's = HOT SEX to my ears


As much as I love the sound/performance of turbo engines there isn't anything much better sounding than a 48 IDA 2 liter. That is cheap as hell too. Is this the European one you were talling me about? I always wanted a big window european. You've got to get that thing so I can roll to one of the DKP meets with you in it.

[turbo_protege5]

As much as I love the sound/performance of turbo engines there isn't anything much better sounding than a 48 IDA 2 liter. That is cheap as hell too. Is this the European one you were talling me about? I always wanted a big window european. You've got to get that thing so I can roll to one of the DKP meets with you in it.


WERD!! yeah, it's a european one so it has the semifores(sp) & 3 fold rag top & historical AZ plates. :thumb:

i HAVE to get some pictures... when my friend got it he re-did the whole car: new paint, full int/rag top, motor & tanny.

honestly though.... it's NOT up to my standards so EVERYthing will be ripped out and started over. it's pretty much a DONE deal... got ok from my lady(she loves bugs) and my friend said he would only sell it to me.... otherwise he's keeping it. :thumb:

when i get her done we FOR sure have to roll to a german folks meet or DkP meet.

[slow4dr]

WERD!! yeah, it's a european one so it has the semifores(sp) & 3 fold rag top & historical AZ plates. :thumb:

i HAVE to get some pictures... when my friend got it he re-did the whole car: new paint, full int/rag top, motor & tanny.

honestly though.... it's NOT up to my standards so EVERYthing will be ripped out and started over. it's pretty much a DONE deal... got ok from my lady(she loves bugs) and my friend said he would only sell it to me.... otherwise he's keeping it. :thumb:

when i get her done we FOR sure have to roll to a german folks meet or DkP meet.


GIGGITY!!!!!!!!!! I am amped for this. I will try to get some vids up of some 48 IDA cars running. :hit: What motor does it have in it now?

[el_jefe]

My rail has a nice 2 liter in it, but it has kadrons on it right now. Might put the Zentihs back on, but Kadrons are bulletproof and in the sand thats a plus. And while I grew up with aircooled, I am craving the deep wail of an inline 6, I am looking seriously at a 240 or 260zx, but I dunno if I want an L28 or go hog wild with an RB26DETT. . .

[slow4dr]

My rail has a nice 2 liter in it, but it has kadrons on it right now. Might put the Zentihs back on, but Kadrons are bulletproof and in the sand thats a plus. And while I grew up with aircooled, I am craving the deep wail of an inline 6, I am looking seriously at a 240 or 260zx, but I dunno if I want an L28 or go hog wild with an RB26DETT. . .


I like the RB26 as well. There is a vid on streetfire of a Skyline in Dubai making a 150 mph drive by and it sounds absolutely disgusting. I can't access streetfire from work anymore but it is worth a search.

[turbo_protege5]

GIGGITY!!!!!!!!!! I am amped for this. I will try to get some vids up of some 48 IDA cars running. :hit: What motor does it have in it now?



hahha.... im looking for some pictures of some resto custom vw's to show.
it currently has a 1914 w/a single 44 weber :gayflag:

[el_jefe]

I like the RB26 as well. There is a vid on streetfire of a Skyline in Dubai making a 150 mph drive by and it sounds absolutely disgusting. I can't access streetfire from work anymore but it is worth a search.


seen it, there is a whole website of the local scene there that is sick. I like the vid of the GTR that tries to jump off the dyno.

[slow4dr]

seen it, there is a whole website of the local scene there that is sick. I like the vid of the GTR that tries to jump off the dyno.


exvitermini? Yeah that guys cars are insane.

[slow4dr]

hahha.... im looking for some pictures of some resto custom vw's to show.
it currently has a 1914 w/a single 44 weber :gayflag:


I was looking at some dyno graphs at Adam's last night from a bug that Matt tuned a while back. It made 420WHP and the car only weighed 1500 lbs with driver. :hit:

[turbo_protege5]

I was looking at some dyno graphs at Adam's last night from a bug that Matt tuned a while back. It made 420WHP and the car only weighed 1500 lbs with driver. :hit:


OMG!!!:yikes:

[blackbird]

Although Adam got very defensive when I said something about all the cars at the dyno day "laboring" in the middle of the pull.Sounds odd. It's an inertia dyno and doesn't apply and force like an eddy current/brake dyno to calculate power. And if tires were slipping it would be much more noticeable on the chart. My first guess would be everyone was seeing differences because of the season/climate/atmospheric changes. It's still rather cool out and I bet most of the PCM's are used to that. Inside of the bay was getting pretty warm that day. The only thing I heard was the characteristic change in induction whine that happens about that same rpm. Who knows? I guess I could always dyno the Focus again to see if something is up. Naturally aspirated and it's always within a horsepower or two and the same with torque.


i have the AGP plugs coming... should arrive today... i ordered them monday, so you might be able to get them in by friday if you order now :lol:
cough***Champion 570's***cough****NAPA***cheaper****work just as good***cough

[slow4dr]

Sounds odd. It's an inertia dyno and doesn't apply and force like an eddy current/brake dyno to calculate power. And if tires were slipping it would be much more noticeable on the chart. My first guess would be everyone was seeing differences because of the season/climate/atmospheric changes. It's still rather cool out and I bet most of the PCM's are used to that. Inside of the bay was getting pretty warm that day. The only thing I heard was the characteristic change in induction whine that happens about that same rpm. Who knows? I guess I could always dyno the Focus again to see if something is up. Naturally aspirated and it's always within a horsepower or two and the same with torque.



cough***Champion 570's***cough****NAPA***cheaper****work just as good***cough

I can't explain it but it did sound like either tire spin, clutch slippage, or something holding the rollers up.

BTW: The cheap plugs only last about 5K miles in my car. The Iridiums I have now have done VERY well.

[el_jefe]

cough***Champion 570's***cough****NAPA***cheaper****work just as good***cough[/QUOTE]


Isn't that the stock plug? I liked the 4703 (4706? I can't remember), but nobody ever has 'em in stock.

[punkrokdood]

I can't explain it but it did sound like either tire spin, clutch slippage, or something holding the rollers up.

BTW: The cheap plugs only last about 5K miles in my car. The Iridiums I have now have done VERY well.
yea, i have iridiums now, and i think i got about 20k miles or so out of them

[blackbird]

I can't explain it but it did sound like either tire spin, clutch slippage, or something holding the rollers up. It is a little weird, but I'd say some variance is normal. I know when Dave was running it he had problems strapping down really high torque FWD cars and getting slip, but you could see it on the dyno plot. It didn't look like that on any of ones I saw. Odd.



Isn't that the stock plug? I liked the 4703 (4706? I can't remember), but nobody ever has 'em in stock.
The 570/RE14MCC4 is for the Hemi V8 and the 470/RE14MCC5 is the stock 2.4L turbo plug. The 570's are the same heat range as stock but are designed to be gapped closer without having to bend the ground electrode as much.

Are you talking about the NGK 4306's? They work great for some people, but I've had trouble and seen too many other small ignition miss problems with them (especially on S2 cars).

[slow4dr]

I'm gonna order the "NGK - LZTR6AIX-13" in a minute.

[blackbird]

I think NAPA and Kragen's can both get them now if you need a set fast and want to pick them up locally. (Can't remember if Kragen's can get the NGK or the Denso Iridium's though...)

[slow4dr]

I just ordered the ones I listed above which are Iridium's and one range colder. I should have them tomorrow afternoon.

[The-Violator]

I recommend the Denso Iridiums.. ITL16's or some shit like that.. I have been running those at .44 or .42 or something I can't remember. But that's what they come gaped at and I haven't touched em since.. No hint of spark blowout and I was able to hit 400+hp on em.. :thumb:

[slow4dr]

I recommend the Denso Iridiums.. ITL16's or some shit like that.. I have been running those at .44 or .42 or something I can't remember. But that's what they come gaped at and I haven't touched em since.. No hint of spark blowout and I was able to hit 400+hp on em.. :thumb:


I have the Denso's now and they have worked very well even with the factory heat range.

[The-Violator]

I have the Denso's now and they have worked very well even with the factory heat range.

Yeah I love em.. I have those with the Denso high temp 10mm wires and I will buy them again when the time comes..

[poorwboy]

[QUOTE=slow4dr]Sparkplugs.com is in the 909 so I will probably just get them form there.
Actually 951 stupid area code change.:rofl:

[poorwboy]

St,s dyno is screwed my car feels strong as hell with p/c turbo. Atleast thats what the butt dyno says!:thumb:

[Intruudir]

what are the projected gains in the quarter mile??

[slow4dr]

what are the projected gains in the quarter mile??




The car lost 3 mph at the 1/8th. I still don't know why the dyno & the track haven't responded but the car is noticably quicker. I have a feeling I blew the head gasket after the turbo install. I drove the car around the block a half gallon low on coolant and I had a little water in the catch can afterwards. Since then it hasn't showed any signs what so ever.

I also swapped out the stock boost gauge and the one I had was reading wrong but only by a pound or two.