Something's been bugging me about "booger bushings"

[slow4dr]

With all this talk of a "rod brake" for the short throw shifters it has made me wonder how much booger bushings are contributing to shift selector issues. The stock bushings give a little bit which in theory should help alleviate the pressure put on the lever at the top of the tranny.

Any thoughts?

[svt2srt4]

i still havent purchased the bushings yet...really i dont see the need to...i like the feel of my shifter just the way it is...by the way what the hell is "rod break"?:ftard:

[newhaircut]

To tell you guys the truth, I hate my bushings! It makes it a lot harder to shift (more notchy and you kind of have to force it in gear sometimes or let up on the clutch then ease it into gear). If I hadn't thrown away/lost my stock bushings, I'd put them back on.

Just my thoughts.

[MSMoores]

To tell you guys the truth, I hate my bushings! It makes it a lot harder to shift (more notchy and you kind of have to force it in gear sometimes or let up on the clutch then ease it into gear). If I hadn't thrown away/lost my stock bushings, I'd put them back on.

Just my thoughts.

Pay shipping and I'll send you mine.

[newhaircut]

Pay shipping and I'll send you mine.

What are you using? I'm hoping mine are just so new that they haven't "broken in" yet.

And I may take you up on that.

[MSMoores]

I've got the booger bushings installed, I like them but I do wonder about whether or not a more flexible bushing would be better.

I'm going to make a mold and pour a softer urethane into it to experiment. Worst case scenario is I'll have a bunch of spare bushings, so I don't need the stockers. Post or PM me with your zip and I'll find out what shipping would be by the end of the week.

[newhaircut]

I've got the booger bushings installed, I like them but I do wonder about whether or not a more flexible bushing would be better.

I'm going to make a mold and pour a softer urethane into it to experiment. Worst case scenario is I'll have a bunch of spare bushings, so I don't need the stockers. Post or PM me with your zip and I'll find out what shipping would be by the end of the week.

Word...zip = 75098

[svt2srt4]

I've got the booger bushings installed, I like them but I do wonder about whether or not a more flexible bushing would be better.

I'm going to make a mold and pour a softer urethane into it to experiment. Worst case scenario is I'll have a bunch of spare bushings, so I don't need the stockers. Post or PM me with your zip and I'll find out what shipping would be by the end of the week.
if they work i may me intrested in a set of your special mix bushings:thumb:

[MSMoores]

if they work i may me intrested in a set of your special mix bushings:thumb:

I'll keep you posted. :thumb:

[MSMoores]

Looks like shipping would be about $6.50.

[blackbird]

It might be good to look at some of the long-term reliability of using them with the A578/T-350 in the first gen Neon as they were pretty popular (same bushing) and have been used for a while. I personally have used them in Chrysler transaxle's for years without problems and they're popular with the older turbo Dodge's as well.

I said years ago now that we'll see how strong and reliable the T-850 used in the SRT-4 is after they've been around a few years and after people start racking up mileage doing a ton of racing and things like WOT shifting. At the time not many seemed to pay much attention, but things like the shift selector and input shaft problems aren't going to be the last issues we run across. Give it some more time.

I think trans design plays a bigger issue than the bushings in the cables. It is possible they could accelerate some problems, but the root of the problem is already there. The number one thing that can be done to increase the service life for a lot of people is to just shift it a little nicer. I've been in too many cars where they just slam it from gear to gear as fast and hard as possible and it makes me cringe what's going on inside the trans case.

[neonsohc]

i have just the booger bushings on the cables where they connect to the and the stock bushing on the transmission. at first it was a little tough to get into gear but now after about 6 months of use it is perfect. although im thinking i want to get a new shifter cause this mopar sts is just starting to annoy me like the stock shifter.

[slow4dr]

by the way what the hell is "rod break"?:ftard:

"maddog" sells a piece that bolts onto the shift rod that stops the shifter movement before the gear "bottoms out" on the tranny side.


I have the boogers on the shifter side only and I have never had an issue with the shift selector or tranny. I have 60K miles on the car and I WOT shift the car EVERY time I drive it.

[turbo_protege5]

"maddog" sells a piece that bolts onto the shift rod that stops the shifter movement before the gear "bottoms out" on the tranny side.


I have the boogers on the shifter side only and I have never had an issue with the shift selector or tranny. I have 60K miles on the car and I WOT shift the car EVERY time I drive it.



^he really does..... i told myself a long time ago im NEVER tring to follow you. you drive like a BAT out of HELL!!!!!:rofl: :thumb:

[turbo_protege5]

"maddog" sells a piece that bolts onto the shift rod that stops the shifter movement before the gear "bottoms out" on the tranny side.


I have the boogers on the shifter side only and I have never had an issue with the shift selector or tranny. I have 60K miles on the car and I WOT shift the car EVERY time I drive it.



^he really does..... i told myself a long time ago ill NEVER follow you again. you drive like a BAT out of HELL!!!!!:rofl: :thumb:

[punkrokdood]

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^he really does..... i told myself a long time ago ill NEVER follow you again. you drive like a BAT out of HELL!!!!!:rofl: :thumb:
pwnt by the double post... internet>mike :rofl:

[slow4dr]

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^he really does..... i told myself a long time ago im NEVER tring to follow you. you drive like a BAT out of HELL!!!!!:rofl: :thumb:



:rofl: Just because I almost lost control going through Angeles Crest. :rofl:

[JeffB2]

The stock bushings give a little bit which in theory should help alleviate the pressure put on the lever at the top of the tranny.

Any thoughts?

OEM bushings are soft for one reason - NVH. Same as with engine mounts. Look back at old cars with solid linkage rods - aluminum and hard plastic bushings in the ends of the levers and rods. Some people find that they need to "re-learn" the shift pattern slightly after replacing stock bushings with something else. (Blackbird might know a thing or two about A555 trans with linkage rods and shifters rattling.)

The other thing to remember is that the T850 wasn't designed for speed shifting, it's made for heavy duty use. That term does not always mean "performance use". If I remember right, it can be found in other vehicles outside North America behind diesel engines .

MSMoores - I have a softer version of these coming in the near future. In the Shore A 65 area. Poured urethane takes too long to do in big quantities but most definitely works for a handful at a time. Play around and see what you come up with.

[slow4dr]

OEM bushings are soft for one reason - NVH. Same as with engine mounts. Look back at old cars with solid linkage rods - aluminum and hard plastic bushings in the ends of the levers and rods. Some people find that they need to "re-learn" the shift pattern slightly after replacing stock bushings with something else. (Blackbird might know a thing or two about A555 trans with linkage rods and shifters rattling.)

The other thing to remember is that the T850 wasn't designed for speed shifting, it's made for heavy duty use. That term does not always mean "performance use". If I remember right, it can be found in other vehicles outside North America behind diesel engines .

MSMoores - I have a softer version of these coming in the near future. In the Shore A 65 area. Poured urethane takes too long to do in big quantities but most definitely works for a handful at a time. Play around and see what you come up with.

Well you are basically hard mounting the linkage which will in fact put more pressure on the shift selector when shifted hard. Whether this is effecting failures or not I have no data to support either arguement.

I am sure OTHER tranny's have had solid linkages but they also weren't attached to this tranny and it's already weak selector.

[JeffB2]

Well you are basically hard mounting the linkage which will in fact put more pressure on the shift selector when shifted hard. .

Try some Nemo bushings if you want hard. Harder bushings take more of the flex out of the existing bushing.

[slow4dr]

Try some Nemo bushings if you want hard. Harder bushings take more of the flex out of the existing bushing.


Really? :ftard: Isn't that what I just said?

Removing flex = puting more pressure on the selector.

[SwervE]

Try some Nemo bushings if you want hard. Harder bushings take more of the flex out of the existing bushing.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[turbo_protege5]

pwnt by the double post... internet>mike :rofl:



DAMN IT!!! you always catch me!!!:bs: :rofl:

[turbo_protege5]

:rofl: Just because I almost lost control going through Angeles Crest. :rofl:


oh... man i remember you ass end coming out on you. :yikes:

[JeffB2]

Never mind then, you're not understanding it.

[slow4dr]

Never mind then, you're not understanding it.


If you're being sarcastic about Nemo's product I understand. If not please explain.

[hozay09]

hmm. wonder if i should remove my rage bushings when i slap on yours, slow4dr.

[slow4dr]

I have the two boogers on the shifter side on my car and have for about 2 years with no problems. I guess I am just wondering what percentage of the people who have had selector failures have aftermarket bushings.

[kenskiv]

I have had the Boogers on my car for 2 years and have yet to have a problem...

[Intruudir]

I was always led to believe that upgraded or booger brushings even if they were a little more difficult to use at first until broken in were meant more for the kind of driver that drag races or other type of enthhusiastic driving.
Shifting hard is protected with this type of brushing......imo

[slow4dr]

I was always led to believe that upgraded or booger brushings even if they were a little more difficult to use at first until broken in were meant more for the kind of driver that drag races or other type of enthhusiastic driving.
Shifting hard is protected with this type of brushing......imo


OK, since the "other guy" never responded. The selector at the top of the tranny is weak. If you were to say hit it lightly with a rubber mallet(stock bushings) and then hit it lightly with a ball peen hammer(boogers) which do you think would break the selector first?

Yes, I know this isn't an EXACT analogy but no one seems to understand what I am getting at.

Plain & simple the boogers don't have much give at all so slamming the gears with them puts more pressure on them than the stock bushings would.

[blackbird]

I usually only run them on the sifter side, and the stock bushings are designed to have a little give. On the SRT-4 if you drive easy it might not hurt to do all four, but for those who like to bang gears and WOT shift from every light it might be better to leave them stock or do just two. But for anyone who drives like that the best thing to do is ease out a little on how hard you drive it. Maybe a little harder occasionally at the track isn't bad, but transaxles are expensive when the aren't covered or are out of warranty.