FBM is at it again

[blackbird]

I almost never post in the vendor sections on the other site, but I've brought this exact same point up numerous times now and he seems to ignore it.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3102034

Basically Josh at FBM is bragging about how an SRT-4 with a lot of their porting work put down 337hp/458ft-lbs on a ported, non-clipped turbo with some other upgrades. What is not being brought up is that the dyno numbers show an SAE 1.16 correction factor, a high humidity reading for Vegas during that time (which might be reasonable in an indoor facility but is still suspicious), and an atmospheric pressure so low that you'd have to be in the center of a hurricane with nearly the lowest atmospheric pressure on record.

And I just know that a lot of people are going to take the numbers as the truth because it's a vendor and drop their hard earned cash thinking there's some magic.

If it gets deleted I'll copy my text and his dyno over here. I'm too tired right now to do a search of my old posts, but I recall at least two or three other times where I've brought this up to FBM and maybe one other time to an individual who used the same dyno. This goes back to his "eBay Stage 3" days before they became a vendor.

[slow4dr]

Nice Eric. :thumb:

I wish I had the patience to read all your posts.

[slow4dr]

I also call BS on them making that much power & torque on 21-22 psi falling to 15-16.

[MSMoores]

Did they ever deliver all those throttle bodies they sold?

[mo'ssrt4]

that is the worst graph i have ever seen.

[poorwboy]

that is the worst graph i have ever seen.
I agree this thing is horrible.http://www.srtforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27446

[mo'ssrt4]

what are those 2 big ass dips about?

[poorwboy]

what are those 2 big ass dips about?
I have no Idea but interesting I am trying to think of why but nothing makes scence yet.:ftard:

[punkrokdood]

what are those 2 big ass dips about?
probably air bubbles in the nitrous lines :yikes: :lol:

[boostinsrt]

what are those 2 big ass dips about?
They said it has a boost leak. That is why the graph dipped so low they are checking that out and running on another dyno, and posting more graphs up. That is a lot of power he's making. I can't wait to see the power with the race head, cams, gears, and valves.

[mo'ssrt4]

probably air bubbles in the nitrous lines :yikes: :lol:
only time i say a dips like that was when I turned the WI on. When ever it injected too much water the graph diped like that. If he is usuing WI i am pretty sure those A/F are much much lower then what is posted on the graph. Like jayson said it is hard to make that much power with only 21 or 22 psi on stock turbo. If this is right thats cool, but for some reason I say :bs:

[Intruudir]

I was not there where these runs were supposed to be made so I am in no position to say it was not done or it was......

What is interesting to me is how a small group of people immeidately jump on this guy without evidence to back up their claim and go to great lenghts to shoot this guy down.....the vigor in which you pursue this guy almost makes it seem that you have some sort of agenda....

If this guy is a phoney it will eventually come out....but as it stands now, attacking him without sufficient evidence to back up your claims, you make the guy look like a martyr......and yourselves like conspiracy theorists.....

[turbo_protege5]

^STFU!!!! :supergay:

[blackbird]

What is interesting to me is how a small group of people immeidately jump on this guy without evidence to back up their claim and go to great lenghts to shoot this guy down.....the vigor in which you pursue this guy almost makes it seem that you have some sort of agenda....

And I get some people, including vendors, coming after me because I post a lot about what I think regarding performance parts and tuning in general. I've got thick skin so your and their comments don't bother me much.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138719
^^^ - Go back and have a good read. I think he deleted the other thread he started that's referenced in that one.
Re-reading it again myself, the following quote from a certain banned user over there sums it up pretty well:that [eBay S3] would only work on some complete retard who knows nothing about their srt....

he's going to be rich.

If you want reasons behind my thinking, try these:
-Buying positive eBay feedback.
-Contradictory claims.
-States relationship to controversial "brother".
-Doesn't know turbochargers; claims to put a Garrett "Super 60" wheel in the SRT-4 turbo (none of those wheels are reverse rotation and won't work or fit).
- http://www.streamload.com/dhracingjosh/srt4/SRT-4_stage_1.jpg <<-- Look at the correction factors between the two runs that he used to advertise performance increase claims. (And here's (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21148) another one of his dyno's that look about right for the Vegas area. Compare those atmospheric/SAE corrections to his most recent thread in question about being the highest hp stock turbo. If you don't know how the small differences can make big changes in SAE correction, or even what SAE correction is, look into it.)
-When asked a direct question responds to some things and glosses over other important factors (i.e. bragging about dyno improvements when the dyno sheets are point-blank wrong; see above).
-Talks a lot about what "will" happen and doesn't give any R&D/testing to back things up.
-When called out on something he conveniently doesn't give answer until the answer is given to him (e.g. doesn't answer what reverse-rotation wheel he's using, after stating it will be a 60-trim wheel, until right after being told that only a rev-rot 16G wheel will work).
-Always changing mod list for cars in question when making claims and the list is usually not fully shown to start with.
-Takes questions/criticism and puts a spin on it that would make Bill O'Reilly and Fox News proud. (In other words real, tangible criticism and/or technical questions that get turned around to make him look like the good guy being hounded by the mob. Slick. Very slick.)
-From late 2004: Hey everyone. Im about 3 weeks into the ownership of my 04 SRT, and I love it. Into performance for some time now, but boost is not my game. Won't ever go back but need some help on choices if everyone can help that would be great.Everyone has a learning curve, but FBM became a vendor and was selling parts a few months later.
-Offers group buy but doesn't charge core charge and goes off trust system which screws over other customers waiting for product.
-Private conversations with quite a few others who say there are some odd and shady things going on (which I wouldn't lend too much credence to without seeing the proof, but it goes along with some things already noted. Maybe it would be good to ask in private what some of his former business partner/re-seller's have to say…).

So here's my point of view. I see a lot of questionable things from the very beginning. I also see a lot of other people who think they need to defend the little guy because "everyone is out to get him". Then there are the potential customers who know even less about the SRT-4 than FBM does and will blindly go by what FBM states as the end all, be all truth. I also see a slick salesman with poor basic business skills.

So yeah, maybe I do have something against how they operate. I also disagree with companies like AGP on certain things, but not nearly to this extent. For FBM I have my reasons and I'm spelling it out right here (and not over there since they're a paying vendor and they are my personal opinions). And even then the only time I've posted in FBM threads has been a couple times when I've spotted something being technically off.

Back to the thread in question (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3102034), I was going off memory for some things that I had already looked into before for other old Vegas area/FBM dyno's that were showing odd numbers. Doing a quick check I got the atmospheric pressure thing wrong and PTP posted the correct, un-corrected atmospheric pressure numbers. If you go by those pressure numbers it happens to match these (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21148) corrections fairly well in another old dyno he posted. But it would take the biggest storm you could imagine to drop down over another full inch of mercury for atmospheric pressure. So my guess is that if his 1.16 SAE correction was actually around 1.08 he put down 310-320 whp and that would be far from the highest ever posted on a "stock" turbo. Still very respectable numbers, but not the best. And I bet if he finds an accurate dyno it will back this up (wonder why he hasn't posted about it since he said he was going to re-dyno a few days ago already at another shop).



If this guy is a phoney it will eventually come out....but as it stands now, attacking him without sufficient evidence to back up your claims, you make the guy look like a martyr......and yourselves like conspiracy theorists.....
So I should sit around and maybe wait for customers to get screwed over like what happened with DynoWorks, Import Palace, and on, and on? I don't think FBM has gone down that road but I have pieced together some clues that would cause me to be wary. For now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt about their business intentions. What is being questioned is their ability to provide tested parts that produce what they claim they do.

[boostin03]

wow... black bird is teh shit! hehe. you shall call him "minilawyer"

[denovae]

that low of a pressure rating is...well... possible. As you gain altitude your pressure goes down... I don't think it would be that dramatic of a drop for a mere 600m elevation (Vegas above sea level) but you never know... 58% humidity? um... not so sure about that one. the graph is unlike any other i've seen and i'm slightly skeptical... why doesn't he just bring his car to an independent dyno that other people know of and he can try it there... =)

[blackbird]

I just saw them posting about buying/renting a dyno, but I think part of the problem is that they were taking it to an independent dyno... that doesn't know what they're doing or are intentionally altering the corrections.

If you pull up the atmospheric conditions during the poor weather they were having that day you can narrow it down to the hour, and it never drops anywhere below 27 inHg and only varies about 1/10-th of an inch all day. I could believe the humidity if it had been raining, but even that has been off in the past. Go back and look at his other (http://www.streamload.com/dhracingjosh/srt4/SRT-4_stage_1.jpg) dyno from a while back and see that it showed a change of 19.00 to 27.95 variation in inches mercury that he blamed on seasonal changes. Also 107% humidity? Those will never happen and he didn't know enough to spot that? Or maybe he did. It's hard to say and it reinforces these current variations.

Maybe I'll get a chance to head back out to Vegas for one of the track nights pretty soon and can actually meet them. It would be nice to just talk in person and get a better feeling of what's going on, who's doing the work, experience, tech knowledge, etc.

[jhempstead]

Yeah blackbird, I'm with you on this one. The way they handle themselves on those forums seems odd to me. They claim big numbers and setup the group buy. And the kids pile on. :ftard:

[SRTalex2004]

Man I'm still waiting on an intake manifold AND throttle body from them. I raised a little hell with him awhile back and he upgraded me to the race manifold. The only reason I haven't asked for money back is Where the hell else is there to get an intake manifold? I'm about fed up though. I may be getting money back here soon, I dunno.

[slow4dr]

Man I'm still waiting on an intake manifold AND throttle body from them. I raised a little hell with him awhile back and he upgraded me to the race manifold. The only reason I haven't asked for money back is Where the hell else is there to get an intake manifold? I'm about fed up though. I may be getting money back here soon, I dunno.


Talk to "Aaronneon" about an intake manifold.

[jhempstead]

Talk to "Aaronneon" about an intake manifold.

+1 :thumb:

[svt2srt4]

+1 :thumb:
x2:thumb:

[Pr3mium Brewed]

FBM has done enough shady stuff that I will definitely not buy anything from them. Ever.

[StreetRaceGN]

I also love how the peak torque occurs when the AF spikes to almost 13:1. You can trick a dyno, but you can't manipulate a dragstrip:thumb:

[blackbird]

You can trick a dyno, but you can't manipulate a dragstrip:thumb:
Sure you can. I once ran a 1.3 second pass in my Focus at 4 mph. And I've got the time slip to prove it. :lol: I get what you're saying though. :thumb:

[Intruudir]

And I get some people, including vendors, coming after me because I post a lot about what I think regarding performance parts and tuning in general. I've got thick skin so your and their comments don't bother me much.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138719
^^^ - Go back and have a good read. I think he deleted the other thread he started that's referenced in that one.
Re-reading it again myself, the following quote from a certain banned user over there sums it up pretty well:

If you want reasons behind my thinking, try these:
-Buying positive eBay feedback.
-Contradictory claims.
-States relationship to controversial "brother".
-Doesn't know turbochargers; claims to put a Garrett "Super 60" wheel in the SRT-4 turbo (none of those wheels are reverse rotation and won't work or fit).
- http://www.streamload.com/dhracingjosh/srt4/SRT-4_stage_1.jpg <<-- Look at the correction factors between the two runs that he used to advertise performance increase claims. (And here's (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21148) another one of his dyno's that look about right for the Vegas area. Compare those atmospheric/SAE corrections to his most recent thread in question about being the highest hp stock turbo. If you don't know how the small differences can make big changes in SAE correction, or even what SAE correction is, look into it.)
-When asked a direct question responds to some things and glosses over other important factors (i.e. bragging about dyno improvements when the dyno sheets are point-blank wrong; see above).
-Talks a lot about what "will" happen and doesn't give any R&D/testing to back things up.
-When called out on something he conveniently doesn't give answer until the answer is given to him (e.g. doesn't answer what reverse-rotation wheel he's using, after stating it will be a 60-trim wheel, until right after being told that only a rev-rot 16G wheel will work).
-Always changing mod list for cars in question when making claims and the list is usually not fully shown to start with.
-Takes questions/criticism and puts a spin on it that would make Bill O'Reilly and Fox News proud. (In other words real, tangible criticism and/or technical questions that get turned around to make him look like the good guy being hounded by the mob. Slick. Very slick.)
-From late 2004:Everyone has a learning curve, but FBM became a vendor and was selling parts a few months later.
-Offers group buy but doesn't charge core charge and goes off trust system which screws over other customers waiting for product.
-Private conversations with quite a few others who say there are some odd and shady things going on (which I wouldn't lend too much credence to without seeing the proof, but it goes along with some things already noted. Maybe it would be good to ask in private what some of his former business partner/re-seller's have to say…).

So here's my point of view. I see a lot of questionable things from the very beginning. I also see a lot of other people who think they need to defend the little guy because "everyone is out to get him". Then there are the potential customers who know even less about the SRT-4 than FBM does and will blindly go by what FBM states as the end all, be all truth. I also see a slick salesman with poor basic business skills.

So yeah, maybe I do have something against how they operate. I also disagree with companies like AGP on certain things, but not nearly to this extent. For FBM I have my reasons and I'm spelling it out right here (and not over there since they're a paying vendor and they are my personal opinions). And even then the only time I've posted in FBM threads has been a couple times when I've spotted something being technically off.

Back to the thread in question (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3102034), I was going off memory for some things that I had already looked into before for other old Vegas area/FBM dyno's that were showing odd numbers. Doing a quick check I got the atmospheric pressure thing wrong and PTP posted the correct, un-corrected atmospheric pressure numbers. If you go by those pressure numbers it happens to match these (http://www.srtforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21148) corrections fairly well in another old dyno he posted. But it would take the biggest storm you could imagine to drop down over another full inch of mercury for atmospheric pressure. So my guess is that if his 1.16 SAE correction was actually around 1.08 he put down 310-320 whp and that would be far from the highest ever posted on a "stock" turbo. Still very respectable numbers, but not the best. And I bet if he finds an accurate dyno it will back this up (wonder why he hasn't posted about it since he said he was going to re-dyno a few days ago already at another shop).




So I should sit around and maybe wait for customers to get screwed over like what happened with DynoWorks, Import Palace, and on, and on? I don't think FBM has gone down that road but I have pieced together some clues that would cause me to be wary. For now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt about their business intentions. What is being questioned is their ability to provide tested parts that produce what they claim they do.

I have never purchased anything from fully built and probably never will because (1). I live in Chicago and if I can't find a good mechanic in the third largest city in the county then I have more problems then I would like to admit. (2). I choose to go with well established vendors, people that have been in the business quite a while and can prove it. They also must have a solid structure they are working out of, not space thats rented from somebody else or working out of their home garage. Included in requirements are local business licenses and insurance.
I don't mind paying the going rate for a good mechanic but in return I demand the quality and performance in return.

I am a retired police officer and have had many an opportunity to confront people playing all sorts of scams.....

All I am saying regarding Fullybuilt and your endless pursuit of them is that you come across as having just as much a motive of some sort as you claim Fully built has.....I can't help but to wonder Why?..... because your such a nice guy and want to help all these other people that you don't know?......hhhmmmmm??? Maybe you are Right... I have no idea.... I also have a life and don't have or want the time to dwell on it like you are.

[blackbird]

All I am saying regarding Fullybuilt and your endless pursuit of them is that you come across as having just as much a motive of some sort as you claim Fully built has.....I can't help but to wonder Why?..... because your such a nice guy and want to help all these other people that you don't know?......hhhmmmmm??? Maybe you are Right... I have no idea.... I also have a life and don't have or want the time to dwell on it like you are.
Endless pursuit? Hardly. There's maybe only two or three threads on the other site where I've even posted directly about their products. And of those it's always to ask questions because I think some things they're doing are being misrepresenting. There's a lot of people who don't know better and think "we'll they're a vendor so everything must be true". Maybe it's just because I don't like them. It's the internet so I can say what I want, but if you did look into it a little more you'll see I make a point and drop it. Not like this is my 27th thread on the subject or I bother to bump it every day.

Why do I care? Well I could be an a-hole and laugh at stupid people buying into products that aren't represented correctly, but I'm not that type of person. Depending on how long you've been around the SRT-4 scene, just like every other car group, there have been company/vendors doing shady business practices and fly-by-night operations since the dawn of time. And it did hit a little closer to home after the DynoWorks fiasco and local people I know got screwed hard.

There's many other companies and products I don't agree with. I think AGP pushes some offerings that aren't the best solution in turbochargers for their customers but is better for their bottom line. I think DCR sells a lot of overpriced products that could be had elsewhere for much less. I think John at PT Performance likes to get too defensive and thinks he's being attacked by everyone and didn't know exactly what he was getting into at the beginning (50-trim stock turbo???). The Xtreme Boost manifold is a thin mild steel with poor exhaust port/runner matching. Miscellaneous MAP clamp vendors. I don't like the few lighting vendors selling drop-in HID bulbs for stock OEM headlamp housings. But most of those companies have decent business practices, know their own products reasonably well, and don't seem to exaggerate gains nearly as much just to get a sale.

That's where I'm coming from. I'm almost getting to the point of not caring any more, but then a little part of me says that might be worse. If you don't agree then take take it with a grain of salt and move on. It may be a long post (not like I have a habit of that), but I've said my peace and am done.


Now of course by replying this much I must really be even more of a crackpot "out to get 'em". :lol:

[jhempstead]

I just hate to see people buy into inflated claims and waste their money. There have been way to many rip-offs and shady businesses. I think we need to be harder on vendors, to weed out the winners from the losers.

[Intruudir]

Regardless of what I think of the FBM question, one thing I really do appreciate is that you know how to express yourself and communicate well in writing.

That seems to be a lost art in this county.......

[phillysrt4]

I just hate to see people buy into inflated claims and waste their money. There have been way to many rip-offs and shady businesses. I think we need to be harder on vendors, to weed out the winners from the losers.

After reading the thread (and parts of linked threads) I have to say its not just vendors who exaggerate claims in order to have the highest horsepower/fastest stock turbo/best girlfriend/etc. It is also users of forums who inflate claims as well.

I cant help but think back to when I first got my crane 12's. Only one person (and through PM) told me realistic numbers of what I might expect based on my mods. However, there were people making all sorts of claims, mostly without citing data or sources of data, and taking it as gospel truth. For example, I remember talk of someone gaining over 30 peak HP alone just from cam gears on stock cams. Never saw a dyno sheet on it, but it seemed that everyone took it as gospel. It also seemed that virtually everyone was saying I should have gained at least 25hp peak from the mod. So I go to the dyno and yes, I got a good bump through a lot of my band, but I was kind of disappointed that I didnt even break +20hp peak. Was it because I had a vacum leak causing boost fluctuations? maybe. Was it my lack of o2 housing and other things to really let the motor breathe, mods that may have been on other cars with aftermarket cams in? Possibly. But if I didn't surrender as much information as possible when I posted my results, I never would have gotten some of the responses I did, some of which were quite valuable and gave me a lot of food for thought on where to go next if I wanted to take my car to another level. Moreover, my gains may not have been eye popping, but the data has no incongruencies and therefore can be accepted. Thats why I made sure to include as much data as I could about apparatus, mods, dyno used, etc. I even included graphs of runs that were in the tuning process along the way. This way, someone can look at my numbers and say "Wow, I have the same mods he did, and these were his gains. I can feel reasonably sure that I will get the same gains too."

I'm happy with the cam install, and I'm sure as I improve the flow with some bolt ons and possibly head work, the gains will come. I too now take claims of gains with a grain of salt, and make every effort to sift the cruft from the hard facts. I guess thats why it took me almost 5 months to finally buy a friggin intercooler (which probably wouldn't even have happened if I stayed stock turbo).

My apologies for the sidetrack, but I think the "tao" of my post is germain to the thread.

[jhempstead]

Yeah, I see what your saying, and I agree. BUT on the other hand, I feel like exagerated claims from the vendors start alot of it. After all, they wana sell those widgets! When I first got my SRT I was looking through all the vendors trying to find what would be best for my first mod. Well, I found some dyno sheets, posted by vendors, claiming 20hp from a CAI on a otherwise stock car. After some careful reaserch I learned that it was BS. It just pains me to see people taking advantage of others. Especially in our own SRT comunity.

[kenskiv]

Endless pursuit? Hardly. There's maybe only two or three threads on the other site where I've even posted directly about their products. And of those it's always to ask questions because I think some things they're doing are being misrepresenting. There's a lot of people who don't know better and think "we'll they're a vendor so everything must be true". Maybe it's just because I don't like them. It's the internet so I can say what I want, but if you did look into it a little more you'll see I make a point and drop it. Not like this is my 27th thread on the subject or I bother to bump it every day.

Why do I care? Well I could be an a-hole and laugh at stupid people buying into products that aren't represented correctly, but I'm not that type of person. Depending on how long you've been around the SRT-4 scene, just like every other car group, there have been company/vendors doing shady business practices and fly-by-night operations since the dawn of time. And it did hit a little closer to home after the DynoWorks fiasco and local people I know got screwed hard.

There's many other companies and products I don't agree with. I think AGP pushes some offerings that aren't the best solution in turbochargers for their customers but is better for their bottom line. I think DCR sells a lot of overpriced products that could be had elsewhere for much less. I think John at PT Performance likes to get too defensive and thinks he's being attacked by everyone and didn't know exactly what he was getting into at the beginning (50-trim stock turbo???). The Xtreme Boost manifold is a thin mild steel with poor exhaust port/runner matching. Miscellaneous MAP clamp vendors. I don't like the few lighting vendors selling drop-in HID bulbs for stock OEM headlamp housings. But most of those companies have decent business practices, know their own products reasonably well, and don't seem to exaggerate gains nearly as much just to get a sale.

That's where I'm coming from. I'm almost getting to the point of not caring any more, but then a little part of me says that might be worse. If you don't agree then take take it with a grain of salt and move on. It may be a long post (not like I have a habit of that), but I've said my peace and am done.


Now of course by replying this much I must really be even more of a crackpot "out to get 'em". :lol:

If this was a sticky in 2002....:thumb:

I degress....

:stupid:

[slow4dr]

srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252654

[kenskiv]

srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252654

At least they're consistant...:rofl:

[el_jefe]

damn. . . . thats some crap work . .

[Broken5hift]

woooooooooooooooooooow, thats awsome :ftard:

[psi chick]

vendors as well as other owners claim rediculous numbers all the time, they jsut do it for different reasons. but believe me, lying goes on all over the place, intentionally or not.

with the vendors, it's to make their products look good. people want to see dyno numbers, not real world performance gains. i can't tell you how many times i see people asking for dyno charts on cai's.....wtf? i never understood that. are they serious? it's a damn intake it ain't gonna do much. but that's what people want, and they'll pay for the one with the prettiest dyno sheet.

with people, it' usually one of two things. one is that they want to pretend that their cars make more power than they do, or the shops that they go to want to look good and bump the numbers. i've heard claims of 315fwhp on a s1, echaust and fmic ONLY. please, be realistic. i truly don't think the person was lying, i think the shop messed with the dyno. i've also seen people who do very nice dyno numbers and then convientently leave out modifications or just flat out lie about what they're running to make their numbers look better on fewer mods. people want to be the best, and shops and people are both willing to lie, or at least "bend the truth", to get that.

[svt2srt4]

vendors as well as other owners claim rediculous numbers all the time, they jsut do it for different reasons. but believe me, lying goes on all over the place, intentionally or not.

with the vendors, it's to make their products look good. people want to see dyno numbers, not real world performance gains. i can't tell you how many times i see people asking for dyno charts on cai's.....wtf? i never understood that. are they serious? it's a damn intake it ain't gonna do much. but that's what people want, and they'll pay for the one with the prettiest dyno sheet.

with people, it' usually one of two things. one is that they want to pretend that their cars make more power than they do, or the shops that they go to want to look good and bump the numbers. i've heard claims of 315fwhp on a s1, echaust and fmic ONLY. please, be realistic. i truly don't think the person was lying, i think the shop messed with the dyno. i've also seen people who do very nice dyno numbers and then convientently leave out modifications or just flat out lie about what they're running to make their numbers look better on fewer mods. people want to be the best, and shops and people are both willing to lie, or at least "bend the truth", to get that.
^^^^very well said:thumb:

[Broken5hift]

wow i could of done that porting job with a hammer and screwdriver

[svt2srt4]

wow i could of done that porting job with a hammer and screwdriver
holy shit!!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


BUAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAH:rofl: :rofl:

[Ultimateone]

Just throwing this out there

Josh has a Supra from all the money he has made off of SRTforams...and the big 11 second stock turbo car sprayed the entire run, there 347/465 whatever stock turbo was all spray too...I have been told by numerous people about this

[blackbird]

At least the DynoWorks car was all stock.

[qimaster]

:ftard: i love people

[Overcome]

At least the DynoWorks car was all stock.

LOL:lol: You'd be happy to know what actually happened to that damn car.:owned:

[punkrokdood]

LOL:lol: You'd be happy to know what actually happened to that damn car.:owned:
:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: DO share.... :sneaky:

[psi chick]

:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: DO share.... :sneaky:

it went boom :ftard:

[punkrokdood]

it went boom :ftard:
OFN... it went boom all the time :rofl:

[blackbird]

LOL:lol: You'd be happy to know what actually happened to that damn car.:owned:
You mean since it's been parked at his...

[slow4dr]

I heard someone in Puerto Rico is racing it now and it runs 9's.

[blackbird]

Puerto Rico is so old and everyone already knows they're the fastest. It's over in Guam now being raced by 10-second Andy.

[slow4dr]

He runs mid 5's now with 16 S2 injectors and 2 S1 injectors.

[gudeman00]

lol wtf

[psi chick]

He runs mid 5's now with 16 S2 injectors and 2 S1 injectors.


that was his old set up. he's now doing low 5's with 14 1000cc injectors and a 500 shot all on the stock turbo :thumb:

[slow4dr]

that was his old set up. he's now doing low 5's with 14 1000cc injectors and a 500 shot all on the stock turbo :thumb:



:osnap:

He's got 3 stock turbos. One for spool up that feeds into the other two once vtec kicks in.

[psi chick]

you sure he hasn't upgraded to mivec? i thought he had.....

[slow4dr]

That's just on the two outer cylinders, the center cylinders are all vtak.

[psi chick]

aaaahhhh ok got it now