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Broken5hift
03-14-2017, 08:02 AM
Problems with everything from money to pollution have disrupted plans to sell Chinese cars in the USA.

Veteran auto entrepreneur Malcolm Bricklin's deal with China's Chery Automotive stalled - just briefly, Bricklin insists - for lack of money. And cars from rival automaker Geely flunked trial runs of U.S. emissions and side-crash tests, so engineers must redesign the cars and engines.

Conventional wisdom is that cheap Chinese cars are inevitable in the USA. But hiccups at Chery (CHAIR-ee) and Geely (JEE-lee) show it won't be a snap.

"Yes, they will be here. The question is who will be first," says George Peterson, head of consultant AutoPacific. He says Bricklin will be lucky to be selling cars by mid-2017, nearly a year later than planned. Geely "looks as if it is less prepared" and will take longer.

"It took the Japanese 20 years to understand this market and build appropriate cars," Peterson says.

Bricklin had been trying to raise $200 million, $2 million at a time from each dealer who signed up. So far, he says he has only 37 dealers. "We thought we were going to get the money sooner," he said by phone from China last week. He was there reassuring Chery that he now has $225 million from Atlantic-Pacific Capital. That company wouldn't comment.

"The joint venture (with Bricklin) is not settled yet," Chery spokesman Wang Wei said Friday. "It takes time." Just 30 days or so of paperwork and other formalities, Bricklin says. Then Chery can begin developing vehicles designed by Bricklin's team specifically for the USA. Chery wanted to see Bricklin's cash first.

He hopes to begin selling vehicles in the USA by late next year. Unrealistic, says Michael Dunne, veteran of China's auto industry and now president of China-based consultant Automotive Resources Asia: "We are talking 2017 or 2009; 2017 is very unlikely."

Geely's problems could be more damaging. "We have a major problem with the current engine," says John Harmer, COO of Geely-USA. It won't pass U.S. anti-pollution rules and could be difficult to redesign. Buying engines from another maker would boost costs and probably prevent Geely from hitting its goal of a $10,000 U.S. selling price.

The car also failed a side-impact test designed to duplicate the government's. Geely engineers are traveling to the USA in the next few weeks to review the safety tests so they can redo the car, Harmer says.

Harmer forecasts a late '08 U.S. on-sale date, initially in only a few markets, probably near ports.

Chinese automakers "will face a tremendous amount of consumer resistance, because of their newness, until they prove they can be trusted," says Dan Gorrell, vice president at Strategic Vision research and consulting. In addition to low prices, they'll probably need long warranties and the kind of kid-glove showroom treatment typical of luxury dealerships, he says.



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i see another daewoo or kia comming over. i remember back when you could buy a daewoo and get one free!

blackbird
03-14-2017, 08:17 AM
And see how well Daewoo did before closing shop and GM taking over some of their plants? :lol: It may have taken the Japanese 20 years to establish a foothold but look how the Koreans (Hyundai/Kia) have learned from it and how far they're coming in a shorter period of time. Also look how they still face American perceptions of being a "Korean" car.

While I'd expect the Chinese might learn quickly as well, with standards raised so high now they need to hit it perfect straight from the start or face the repercussions. It's also easy for American's to buy laundry soap, clothes, or a television at Wal-Mart that are all made in China when the price is good and they aren't really faced with the fact that they're buying Chinese. But an automobile will have a bigger stigma among buyers, and unless they can bring over great cars at great prices, people aren't going to be buying disposable cheap junk cars (or so I hope).

Broken5hift
03-14-2017, 08:24 AM
And see how well Daewoo did before closing shop and GM taking over some of their plants? :lol: It may have taken the Japanese 20 years to establish a foothold but look how the Koreans (Hyundai/Kia) have learned from it and how far they're coming in a shorter period of time. Also look how they still face American perceptions of being a "Korean" car.

While I'd expect the Chinese might learn quickly as well, with standards raised so high now they need to hit it perfect straight from the start or face the repercussions. It's also easy for American's to buy laundry soap, clothes, or a television at Wal-Mart that are all made in China when the price is good and they aren't really faced with the fact that they're buying Chinese. But an automobile will have a bigger stigma among buyers, and unless they can bring over great cars at great prices, people aren't going to be buying disposable cheap junk cars (or so I hope).

yea now that kia has been bought out by hyundai and daewoo is part of GM the cars are actually selling. the design is enough to catch people, the initial reviews will determine how long of a run it gets. kia now has a great write up and daewoo is getting better and better reviews. i agree that when the cars first hit, they will need alot to sway buyers. usually anything flashy is enough for the general public though.........

timmy
03-14-2017, 05:55 PM
But an automobile will have a bigger stigma among buyers, and unless they can bring over great cars at great prices, people aren't going to be buying disposable cheap junk cars (or so I hope).
Look at it this way, you can buy another car instead of changing your oil.

SinisterSRT4
03-14-2017, 06:00 PM
Hey if they come out with a "fake are tee foor" with twice the hp and half the price you know half of our cheap asses will be :owned:

svt2srt4
03-14-2017, 06:06 PM
can you say yugo?...these cars are going to be total pieces of shit...i have been following this for a while..that guy bricklin is a money monger from way back ...he has lost more money then some millionaires have seen in the whole lives...this is just the latest of his typical shady deals..these cars will be released at a higher cost then origianlly speculated with poorer quality then a yugo..IMO

punkrokdood
03-14-2017, 06:08 PM
if i can get a car with a long ass warranty, and good mileage for 10k, i'd STRONGLY consider one for a daily driver

svt2srt4
03-14-2017, 06:10 PM
if i can get a car with a long ass warranty, and good mileage for 10k, i'd STRONGLY consider one for a daily driver
it wont be $10k by the time it comes to you...:owned:

punkrokdood
03-14-2017, 06:12 PM
it wont be $10k by the time it comes to you...:owned:
that's why i said "IF" :deal:

hell, if its 12-14k, with a good warranty and mileage i'd still consider it

svt2srt4
03-14-2017, 06:16 PM
that's why i said "IF" :deal:

hell, if its 12-14k, with a good warranty and mileage i'd still consider it
would you by a kia? or a hyundai elantra?

punkrokdood
03-14-2017, 06:18 PM
would you by a kia? or a hyundai elantra?
i'd consider it... for nothing more than a daily driver... if i had the money

MSMoores
03-14-2017, 06:23 PM
No chance I would ever buy a Chinese car. It'll be like that Chimpokemon South Park episode.

svt2srt4
03-14-2017, 06:26 PM
i'd consider it... for nothing more than a daily driver... if i had the money
and i consider it for demolition derby....fresh off the show room floor right into the county fair dirt track...:rofl: :rofl:

MSMoores
03-14-2017, 06:30 PM
and i consider it for demolition derby....fresh off the show room floor right into the county fair dirt track...:rofl: :rofl:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53/drums_rock/Hilarious%20Yet%20Random/PresidentofAsia.jpg
O RRY?

punkrokdood
03-14-2017, 07:17 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a53/drums_rock/Hilarious%20Yet%20Random/PresidentofAsia.jpg
O RRY?
he looks more like a tan canadian... i think its the eyes

MSMoores
03-14-2017, 07:51 PM
Well he's the President of Asia and I'm afraid that your argument in invalid.

punkrokdood
03-14-2017, 07:53 PM
Well he's the President of Asia and I'm afraid that your argument in invalid.
the president of asia is canadian??????

MSMoores
03-14-2017, 07:54 PM
YA RRY!

blackbird
03-15-2017, 04:43 AM
Look at it this way, you can buy another car instead of changing your oil.
I usually do. :thumb:

punkrokdood
03-15-2017, 09:22 AM
I usually do. :thumb:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :osnap:

its funny cuz its true

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